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This feature is taken from E.A.9.11, Group 2.
See the entire discussion: Bush's accusations - "Axis of Evil".
The US sees these countries as a threat because they have the potential power to overthrow the US from its "throne" internationally. I mean just look at what the US does in the Middle East. It provides "white blankets" for Israel to attack Palestine. It buys oil at a certain price, purifies it, and actually sells it at 5 times the original value.
Plus, they do "lie" sometimes. During the Gulf War, they told Turkey that they would cut any trade with them if they didn't surrender bases. They said it was a temporary stay and Turkey, which was afraid of the US, said fine. Guess what...the US to this day, has not left Turkey's bases.
They're only going to Afghanistan now because it is a perfect strategic position. They're helping the new government, so that when they need to, they can just tell Afghanistan to do whatever they want. They're close to Russia, Communist China, right next to India and Pakistan, both with Nuclear weapons (their nuclear weapons have officially been confiscated by the US because of threats of the Taliban, they have still not been returned, and probably never will be, even though there is a new government in Afghanistan now), and they can keep Iraq and Iran , both with very high muslim polulations, in check. The new Afghanistan government will just be a puppet government, much like the Phillipines today.
Mehdi
P.S.: I hope I didn't offend anyone, if yes, sorry
I agree with what the US is doing. Even though we may be taking over other countries slowly as a strategic way of stabalizing the Middle East, its a good thing, because the US wants peace, not war, and I think we have to do something to contain the volatile situation in the Middle East.
Why shouldn't Afghanistan follow our democratic policies? Before we came there women were treated like dogs. Children couldn't go to school and get an education, they were being starved by there own people! The US just wants to help these countries become stable so they can fend for themselves 10 years down the road.
See ya,
Josh
I'm going to have to disagree with you on that Josh. The US is not trying to stabalize the Middle East, its trying to take over the middle east. If every middle-eastern country, right here, right now, decided to not sell any oil to the US, the US would crumble down so fast. The US needs the Middle East and to insure their safety.
The Afghanistan issue ... true, the US is trying to help, but look at the Philipines right now.True, the condition has improved greatly but the people have virtually no say in the government, they have to do what the US tells them to do because of the help the US has given to them in the past. That's exactly what is going to happen in Afghanistan.
I agree. Governments tend to do what is in their best interest, and so does America. That's why a lot of countries hate us, they find us hypocritical. For example, we haven't messed with Saudi Arabia even though a lot of the policies of its government aren't exactly humane, because we are dependent upon them for oil. I would say that most of our policies are based on money, and sometimes, people who back the US no matter what are looking through rose-colored glasses.
Even the Saudis and Egyptians just said how the US is the only country that can help this peace project and that's what the US is trying to do -- to stabilize a region so it will be safe.
Countries keep downing the US and complaining about our involvement over the world. But when a country needs help, who is the first to offer it: The United States of America, the land of the free and the brave. We are the biggest provider of funds and food to practically every third world nation.
See ya,
Josh
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Locke |
11:10pm Mar 8, 2002 EST |
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Medhi, Josh,
I think you both have very valid points on this. Medhi, you say that the U.S. needs the mideastern Oil to survive and thus the U.S. tries to control the Middle East...
Josh, you say that is proposterous and that the U.S. is only trying to bring peace.
I agree with both of you. I think the U.S. is trying to control the oil, but doing it under the guise of peace. Why fight a bloody war for something when you can just play nice to get it?
...punch and pie
Dear Locke,
I agree, but I don't think the US is completely dependent on Foreign oil. We have many places in America that we get oil from, and could also drill for oil if a problem with those countries would ever occur. The US needs to develop better energy conservation policies. The US uses more energy then any other country. If anything, we make ourselves dependent on all oil and gas too much. We need to develop better vehicle gas standards, and create vehicles that run off battery cells or solar energy. I think that's how we can solve our energy crunch and I'm confident that in the coming years we can do that.
See ya,
Josh
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Locke |
11:41am Mar 9, 2002 EST |
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Josh,
I am with ya' on the fact that we could become less dependant on fossil fuel and be more efficient with it.
However, a lot of the big oil companies fund our politicians, and then the politicians do their bidding. That is the conspiracy theorist reason as to why we currently are so dependant on fossil fuels.
I don't agree with the fact that we can drill for more fossil fuels here on our soil. We have too many enviromentalists who would blow a fuse if they heard we were drilling somewhere.
Yes, the best answer is to develop alternate energy, but nothing grand is in the works just yet. The best idea I have heard is using cow, chicken, and human feces. Imagine how much power we could provide the world with the crap we see coming from our political leaders mouths ;)
...punch and pie
Dear Locke,
I don't think oil companies have anything to do with alternate vehicle energy. The government can't control car companies from building what they want to. Plus oil companies won't play too much a role in politicians since Enron went bankrupt. We already drill for oil in America. The environmental groups will always complain, but when it comes to survival you have to push some groups and rules aside.
See ya,
Josh
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